Victim’s daughter asks partnered murderers be imprisoned apart
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Prison officials said the inmates haven’t been permanently placed yet, and can’t guarantee they’ll separate the two.
Robert Morgan, 39, and Jorge Morgan, 24, were earlier this month sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of Cynthia Ramos, 58.
Robert Morgan is identified in prison records as Robert Plunkett, a name he told the court last month he no longer uses.
Both Morgans, registered domestic partners in San Joaquin County, are temporarily being held at Deuel Vocational Institution, east of Tracy, but a prison spokesman said that’s not necessarily where they’ll remain forever.
The partners are not being held in the same cell, a representative for the prison said.
Christina Barnes, Ramos’ eldest daughter, sent a letter Wednesday to the attorney general and 33 others, asking that one Morgan be sent to an out-of-state prison to prevent the two from “continuing their conspiracies.”
A spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said he’d received the letter and would respond to Barnes.
The Morgans were found guilty of stabbing Ramos 55 times, strangling her with a rope and bludgeoning her in the head before stealing her jewelry. The Morgans and Ramos, a mother of six, were neighbors at Green Oaks Mobile Home Park.
An order early in the trial kept the Morgans apart while in jail and on buses to and from court, but in November, the two were mistakenly put in the same DVI cell for about two days.
Barnes said that’s what led to courtroom taunts from Jorge Morgan that month. She claimed he had yelled at her family in between hearings, shouting “This don’t mean s---. … I’ll do life. … I did it … and I’d do it again.”
Barnes said in the Feb. 17 letter her family is haunted by the brutal slaying and afraid of retaliation from the Morgans.
“My family and I live in fear of our lives and the lives of our children,” Barnes wrote. “If the two prisoners are left together to conspire, they are capable of carrying out their evildoings against us, either indirectly or through the hands of others.”
Barnes said the two don’t deserve the “luxury” of living near each other, and urged the court to prevent “additional opportunities of manipulating their way into sexual situations together.”
Kevin Chappell, who places inmates in the state’s prisons, said the state has yet to place the Morgans in permanent prisons, but their relationship wouldn’t necessarily mean they’d be kept separated.
He said they would be kept apart if the prison decides putting them together would risk the safety of the men or other inmates at the jail.
Chappell said the two are temporarily at DVI because it’s the closest facility to where they were sentenced, and it’s unclear when they might be moved to their permanent prison.
Chappell said that when placing prisoners, the state considers inmates’ sentences, medical and psychiatric health, work skills, education and crime history.
Both Morgans have served time at DVI for previous crimes, and they have said they met in Mule Creek State Prison, where they shared a cell. Jorge Morgan had been convicted of burglary, and Robert Morgan had been convicted of stealing a car.
Barnes said she hasn’t received any response to her letter yet, but she hopes her plea will be considered.
“Is it ethical for two men who plotted and carried out such a gruesome act together to live out their lives together behind bars?” she said. “It comes down to what’s right. If there is no law in place that states they can’t be together, maybe there should be.”
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I'm going to pass this around so many of my co-workers can also sign it. Please if you can do the same it might make the difference.
Fix it, Tracy Press, please?
CN/ConcernedNeighbor
Dark thought/suggestion here:
All prisoners should wear pictures of their victims on their clothing so their crime will continue to be announced, even within the prison system! Let them be reminded of their own crime!
Right now it is just like a huge dormitory living with rules in place.
"The Morgans were found guilty of stabbing Ramos 55 times, strangling her with a rope and bludgeoning her in the head before stealing her jewelry."
They sure had it easy up to now... weak judical system?
CN
He said they would be kept apart if the prison decides putting them together would risk the safety of the men or other inmates at the jail."
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So instead of worring about the safety of these two killers or the other inmates, what about the safety of the victims family???? They do not deserve to be in the same cell or allowed to "mingle" ever, period.
Regarding CPmartinez comment "it's time to move on" she is clueless how devastating it is to a family when a loved one has been murdered.
To Cindy's family, know that we are grateful these two will never know freedom again, and hold your mom's memory close to your heart. It is not how she died that is most important, it is how she lived that really matters.
And most importantly, we are thankful for all of those who are helping to keep Our Mother’s legacy alive and in the spirit this wonderful woman so truly deserves. That legacy will always live on through us-her 6 children, 11 grandchildren, first great grandchild, and the host of other family and friends whose lives she touched.
And to my siblings – I Love You all so much and thank each and every one of you for being my strength when I have been weak, for being each other’s rock when one needs that to lean upon, and I will always be here to give you all the same; And for the incredible bond that we are so fortunate to share…….Which leaves me to the most important thing I am thankful to God for each and every day – which is for giving us the mother that he did, for she is the one the credit and thanks should go to for instilling this in us all, and for creating the loving family she did that will carry on her legacy just as she taught us to…..until the end of time, when we will be reunited with her again.
The word closure can never be used by the family of a victim of murder. Every birthday, holiday or just a normal day can trigger the pain. We're always told the intensity of grief does fade with time, but time can never heal the grief completely.
Again everyone please take the time to help this family with a letter asking that these two are separated for life, and take the time to view the beautiful website that this family has done in her memory. It's a beautiful reminder to all of us that victims are not a nameless, faceless number to those of us who have no emotional attachment to the family and victim.
1. THEY did not find any drugs or anything related to drugs
2. They killed her because they just wanted to...and it was something robert had been planning for a long time.
3. When asked how long, he said months! Maybe since April of that year....around the time robert met our mother.
Jorge had just been released from prison less than 2 weeks earlier when the murder occured.
This family has never talked about the REAL reason because the REAL reason is something so dark, it cannot be understood by any human who has a heart capable of love, empathy, and compassion. More importantly, this family was not going to talk while there was an impending case, as our primary goal was to do the the very best thing we could for the case, and for our murdered mother. The preliminary testimony is public record, so help yourself!!
Furthermore, if you are implying that ANY reason gives any credibility to their actions, you might as well have held that knife yourself.
roberts mother gave interviews to the media proclaiming how innocent her son was, and that he would never even hit a woman. She knew damn well she was lying to cover his ass. She knew her son was a murderer, and I have no respect for her -for lying and trying to cover such a crime...a brutal, brutal crime. My mother did NOTHING to deserve being murdered, and especially in that manner.
Read the letter...she was lured into believeing she was going to recieve a birthday present. Even as far as to tell her to sit down and close her eyes. And then she was killed in a way that any person with compassion and empathy could never understand.
You, obviously do not understand the after effects of homicide. The nightmares, the constant re-play of the murder in my mind, our minds! Over and over and over. What our mother went through. How she fought and ultimately begged for her life. How she died alone, full of terror and fear, without the family that she provided so much love for- to help her or comfort her. ALONE!! Move on?? You think that's how it happens? Maybe you need to educate yourself with some grief classes specific to homicide, and see what life is really like for people left in the wake of homicide. It NEVER leaves us!! NEVER!! I will never be the person I was before August 6, 2009, and neither will my siblings or our children.
Furthermore, if roberts mother moved, she moved out of SHAME, NOT because she was threatened by ANY of my mother's children or family. We have more class than that. Her class however, is in serious question- not only as proof of raising a murdering lowlife, but to cover up his actions put her in the same boat!!
Lastly, how dare you call yourself a friend to my mother if the first thing you do is to question what Cindy's surviving children are sentenced to endure, while pitying her killer's mother. Some friend...which is the same thing that was said about robert!
"I said there are no angles here in this sistuation"
the word angle =to attempt to get something by sly or artful means; fish: to angle for a compliment.
~VS~
angel (as in cindy)=one of a class of spiritual beings; a celestial attendant of God.
at first i thought maybe the person couldnt spell but then i realized they are two differnet words all together and before we jump all over cpmartinez we realize he may have actually been talking about the fear the victims family has of the convicted two coming after them not that cindy isnt an angel
To help you get the bad taste out of your mouths of that post and to help make this post a positive one, please take the time to check out the website that CindysDaughter posted below. It's very well done and a beautiful tribute to her memory.
I'm sure the real Angel (Cindy) is very proud of her family.
I agree with Lorrainew16, this mother only lost a house, her family members get to live! Cindy was murdered, her family will never see her again!
No angels? Wrong.