Your Voice: Ballpark bulldozing benefits only developers
by Steven D. Huffaker, Tracy
Oct 05, 2012 | 2657 views | 17 17 comments | 6 6 recommendations | email to a friend | print
EDITOR,

I have been going to the Tracy Ballpark in one capacity or another since I was 7 years old. Playing Little League, softball, pick-up games of baseball, football, riding bikes and such when I was a kid.

Now I walk to the park every morning or early afternoon with my dogs — and yes, I pick up my dog’s poop, unlike some people. I still see kids and families, soccer practice and leagues, Pop Warner football practice, softball and baseball teams practicing, among other fun activities that still go on at the Tracy Ballpark.

As far as parking on Bessie Avenue, or the lights, or even a little garbage that people should pick up, I have never heard anyone in the neighborhood complain about any of those so-called problems.

They are just fabricated problems that developers and the powers that be bring up to justify using the land for development. Also, the cars on Bessie Avenue and the lights are all temporary. Only on days or nights when soccer or football practice is taking place do these so-called problems arise. Otherwise, on most days, the Tracy Ballpark is a very nice, quiet, peaceful and safe park to visit. And that, my friends, is worth more than any amount of money that these developers are offering.

I doubt very much if the parents of kids who go play at the Tracy Ballpark want their kids walking or bicycling way out over the overpass out by the Holly Sugar area, the site for the proposed new athletic fields, when they have a nice neighborhood park that they trust.

Does every inch of open space have to be covered with houses or, worse yet, apartments? Isn’t it enough that all these greedy, money-hungry developers have taken a good portion of the farmland in and around Tracy and put housing developments up? Now they want to take the little bit of open space in that area of town and do the same.

Mr. Developer, do you realize that your greed and your tunnel vision for dollar signs and so-called progress is other people’s misery? You are the only one benefitting from developing the Tracy Ballpark.

Believe me when I say that no one in that area of town who uses the Tracy Ballpark wants or deserves housing or apartments on that nice, big area.
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Realintracy
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October 11, 2012
Ornely,

You demand facts and then spout off with conjecture and opinion. When you get called out as Nicholau did recently you don't call, you write about how you can't disclose your true identity for fear of retribution to your family. Way to go bat man! Jumpin Jimeney bat man, it's Commision Gordon on the bat phone, "what's that commissioner, someone is speaking out against the mayor, city council, city manager?"

The nerve! Fear not, I'll speak jibberish and foil the nasty plan to express themselves, seek justice, and invade our sycophant mioptic xenophobic way of life. Quick Rhcp, to the keyboard!
dcose
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October 12, 2012
"...you write about how you can't disclose your true identity for fear of retribution to your family."

Signed,

Realintracy

Too Funny
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 16, 2012
Realintracy,

There is really no need to go "to the keyboard", except that you commented to me. Honestly, I think you have capability to make more sense, here, but for some reason you have resorted to "tommybahama" style comments where you make up stuff about others in a futile attempt to bring them down to your level.

The fact is, and I have stated this before. That park is not safe because children are walking across a four lane freeway. You seem to think that is ok and instead of addressing a safety issue and proposing a solution your objective is to make jokes about "bat man", "Jimmeny", "Commision Gordon", etc.

Good luck! But the point is there are two parks. There is a neighborhood park and the ballfields that are causing an unsafe situation. You don't have a solution for the safety issue at the ballpark parking lots. You are not part of the solution. You are actually wasting your time and raising your blood pressure.

A better approach would be to produce a solution, if you wanted to be helpful. Honestly, I don't care how you reply because it is your choice to remain sophmoric or choose to grow up. But whatever you decide will not change the fact that change is needed.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 11, 2012
Don't know why I didn't cue in before on Steven's empathetic letter. An it's a strong indicator he's really not abreast of th situation as he professes ta be.

In his letter he states factually, "I still see kids and families, soccer practice and leagues, Pop Warner football practice, softball and baseball teams practicing, among other fun activities that still go on at the Tracy Ballpark."

He must have really good vision when he sees Pop Warner football practice because, accordin ta th Pop Warner Football League organization they don't have a Pop Warner League team in town an none closer than Castro Valley or Brentwood/Oakley.

Now thair are two teams in town that are apparently not Pop Warner affiliated. They are th Tracy Cougars an th Tracy Raiders. Perhaps he meant them an on this I shall let it slide because it really is a small point.

But it illustrates how sometimes thangs are presented as facts that when looked at closely are not an just an opinion.

If yer gonna use facts in yer complaints it's usually best ta verify em ta be factual otherwise it gives th reader ya really don't know what yer talkin about. Haven't had a Pop Warner team in Tracy in a long time.

me-here
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October 07, 2012
Ornley, I wish you would get a life and quit rambling on endlessly on every post a comment that comes up. Sick of your hard to read attempt to be cute style of writing, so have quit reading them...so for me you just take up space.

ON THE BALL PARK: my property backs up to the park and live with the so called problems and my reaction is...the noise is happy noise and I have no complaint. I have the parking situation and don't complain, but I am sure YOU would complain.

Better the families are doing something together and the parking "situation" doesn't last that long. When the park lights are on, I don't have to have mine on, so am saving money on that score.

GET A LIFE!!!
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 10, 2012
The only way to make the ballpark safe is to gift your house to the leagues so they can use your property as a parking lot.

People are walking across a four lane highway to play ball. Peta wouldn't even allow you to treat your animals this unsafely. Let alone children.

dcose
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October 11, 2012
you-there Janet,

I enjoy Ornely's posts. Find some self-restraint and stop reading them if you don't agree with them. You have my permission.

:-)
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 11, 2012
dcose

I am of th notion that some people are not capable of doin simple thangs like turnin off th TV or at least changin th channel when they encounter somethang they don't like or don't agree with.

As ta me-here's rant, "I have the parking situation and don't complain, but I am sure YOU would complain," first of all it seems ta me she's complainin about her parkin situation an secondly she must be clairvoyant ta know with such surety that I would complain about it.

Actually I am complainin about it cus it's inadequate an should be removed an th proceeds frum th sale of th property reinvested whare it will do more good for more people rather than nostalgically hangin onta th past an continuin ta support its inadequacy.

sugarbee80
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October 05, 2012
Steven,

I agree with your letter. I have live across the street from the ball park for many years. Over those years I have called the City of Tracy to inform them that the lights had been left on and they should send someone out to turn them off. It was just a FYI call, not a complaint call. Also, I have contacted the city to request more garbage cans for the park. We still only have two garbage cans that over fill. Yes, that is a problem that needs to be addressed, but removing the park is a little over-kill to correct the problem. My neighbor did write a letter to the city complaining about the garbage that blows into his yard. But this is the only neighbor who I have EVER heard complain about it. He doesn’t want the development; he just wants the city to take care of the problem. Is there a traffic problem when football practice is over, yes for about 15 minutes? Do the parents do some stupid things when picking up their children, yes? But removing the park for some minor traffic problems is not the answer.

I was at the Park and Rec meeting last night and there where people from all over the city who were against the removal of the ball park. Here is what I learned
sugarbee80
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October 05, 2012
1. The parents of the two football teams do not want to move to Holly Sugar. Mr. Blackwell the president of one of the teams made that statement to the board.

2. The new park is to be a SUPPLEMENT to the already existing athletic parks. It is not to replace.

3. Over 1,000 Tracy residents signed the petitions to save the park. The petitions where served on the board last night. Out of the 1,000, only around 400 where with-in a ½ mile radius of the park. So that means 600 residents throughout Tracy wants the park to remain.

4. Last night it was asked “where are all the complaints” and “how many complaints have there been” no one had the answer to those questions.

5. One woman stated that she was able to speak with the parents when getting signatures and all the parents where against the new park. These are the people that the new park is being built for and they DON’T WANT IT!

6. It was proven from the city council minute that in fact the agreement was that the land was to remain a park.

7. The city needs to show where the money for the up kept of the park went.

7. The city will only purchase the land and provide the water. The athletic teams will have to buy-in to make the improvements to the new park in-order to use it/complete it. But they don’t the new park.

8. The City Manager Leon Churchill is the one who wants to have “talks” with the residents of Tracy about selling the property. Mr. Churchill is the one who wants to remove the park.

Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 05, 2012
sugarbee80

Facts an factoids

“1. The parents of the two football teams do not want to move to Holly Sugar. Mr. Blackwell the president of one of the teams made that statement to the board. “

Did Mr. Blackwell have th authority ta speak fer all th parents of th two football teams? Don’t thank so. So while it is a fact he spoke an made th statement don’t mean that all th parents agree with him. Factoid!

“2. The new park is to be a SUPPLEMENT to the already existing athletic parks. It is not to replace.”

Fact, it is ta be a supplement an since th Tracy Ballpark ain’t th only existin athletic park in town it can be a supplement ta th th rest by takin th capitol assets out of this park an reutilizing it fer somethang better in th new park or ta even improve other existin athletic parks in town. A factoid manufactured by statin a fact.

“3. Over 1,000 Tracy residents signed the petitions to save the park. The petitions where served on the board last night. Out of the 1,000, only around 400 where with-in a ½ mile radius of the park. So that means 600 residents throughout Tracy wants the park to remain.”

When ya get ta numbers that are sold indicators let us know. Havin conducted numerous petitions in my life it’s relatively easy ta get th signatures frum people that don’t really understand th complete problem. As it stands ya got 1,000 out of what, 84 ta 85 thousand. Granted some are kids an can’t vote an husbands and or wives don’t always sign th same petition, but yer gonna have ta come up with more numbers ta establish a good indicator as ta what people really want. Fer instance, I haven’t been approached ta sign any petition an all th folks on my street haven’t all had th same opportunity either. So don’t thar opinions count? Or perhaps they were approached an didn’t feel th urge ta sign. Also, what’s th verbiage on yer petition say word fer word as that often is what spurs people ta sign or not sign? Care ta print that here fer everyone ta read an verify th accuracy of th statement?

“4. Last night it was asked “where are all the complaints” and “how many complaints have there been” no one had the answer to those questions.”

Fact, no one has an answer but it don’t mean that complaints weren’t received. Do you keep records about every complaint ya hear? I don’t thank anyone else does but ya might just be th exception. So this becomes a factoid in that ya can’t prove that complaints were not made.

“5. One woman stated that she was able to speak with the parents when getting signatures and all the parents where against the new park. These are the people that the new park is being built for and they DON’T WANT IT!”

Fact manufactured fum a factoid. Yep, she said that but what was actually said when she was speakin tat h parents ta get their signatures? An please explain why thair have been many who have spoken in both City Council an Parks an Rec meetins that are infavor if it. Some folks want it, some folks don’t. What’s th ratio of wants th don’t wants when they are all presented th same factual information instead of what one person tells em? It’s easy ta bias someone’s thankin when they don’t have all th facts an only one side of the story is told. Factoid!

“6. It was proven from the city council minute that in fact the agreement was that the land was to remain a park.”

No it wasn’t proven it was alleged but it is a fact th statement was recorded in th minutes. Proof is yet ta be determined. Just sayin somethang in public an havin it recorded in minutes don’t mean that what was said is a true fact. Factoid!

“7. The city needs to show where the money for the up kept of the park went.”

They have an don’t need ta any more. Just go down an look at th City’s bookeepin ledgers. It’s all thair. What, ya need it spoon fed ta ya? Don’t hold yer breath on that one. An opinion, neither a fact or a factoid, just an opinion.

"Th second #7. The city will only purchase the land and provide the water. The athletic teams will have to buy-in to make the improvements to the new park in-order to use it/complete it. But they don’t the new park.”

Since ya let yer passions get in th way of yer writin I assume yer talking about th new park.

First of all the City don’t need ta purchase th land, it already owns.

Many of th athletic clubs in town agreed ta partner with th city ta construct th new park BEFORE th city determined that it would be a Youth Sports Park.

If th football leagues didn’t want ta participate, which they were given an opportunity ta do so, is that anyone else fault? Specifically, is it th City's fault or th football leagues decision not ta participate?

So, who really doesn’t wanna see th new park? All th people in th City of Tracy or just those that are in th football league that don't apparently wanna participate in th new park?

I’d like ta label this as a fact or factoid but can’t. It ain’t even a well constructed opinion. I guess it’s a factoid because it’s is missin so much suppotin facts an is only one perspective on th issue frum one person that is obviously misinformed consarnin th ownership of th new Youth Sports Park.

“8. The City Manager Leon Churchill is the one who wants to have “talks” with the residents of Tracy about selling the property. Mr. Churchill is the one who wants to remove the park.”

Would you rather have him not want ta have “talks” with all th residents of Tracy about sellin thair property? Has he stated he wants ta remove th park? If he did I don’t recall it. Is it in some meetin minutes somewhere so we can establish it as a fact or do we just take yer word fer it? Perhaps he’s wantin ta do what is best fer all th citizens he works fer. Also, if it was a fact th council wanted ta just get rid of th park they could easily have done it without askin anyone anything. It’s happened before so I don’t really understand yer comment here. Therefore it’s a factoid.

Readdressin item number 4 on complaints.

Ya write, “I agree with your (Steve's)letter. I have live across the street from the ball park for many years. Over those years I have called the City of Tracy to inform them that the lights had been left on and they should send someone out to turn them off. It was just a FYI call, not a complaint call."

Bet th person receivin th call didn't give it ta th guy on duty that takes care of these sorts of thangs as an FYI and it was viewed by th both of em as a complaint. Whaddya wanna bet?

"Also, I have contacted the city to request more garbage cans for the park. We still only have two garbage cans that over fill. Yes, that is a problem that needs to be addressed, but removing the park is a little over-kill to correct the problem."

If that was th only problem I'd happily agree. Unfortunately it ain't.

"My neighbor did write a letter to the city complaining about the garbage that blows into his yard. But this is the only neighbor who I have EVER heard complain about it.”

When is a complaint not a complaint? First ya indicate thair have been no complaints an then ya state that ya an a neighbor has complained about thangs in th park. An tell me, do ya know all of th neighbors ta this park or just this one neighbor of yers? How do th rest of em feel about it? Have ya talked with em all? I seriously doubt that.

Ya simply haven’t proven yer case here an actually damaged it by yer own words.

But I do applaud your truthfulness in sayin that ya have complained. One wonders though if you an yer neighbor has complained, over th lifespan of this park I wonder how many others have complained as well?

With respect ta safety issues ya admit thair are problems when ya state in yer own words, “Is there a traffic problem when football practice is over, yes for about 15 minutes? Do the parents do some stupid things when picking up their children, yes?

While th sentence isn't complete enough of yer thankin is thair ta determine what yer talkin about.

Don’t ya thank this is a far cry frun indicatin thair are no safety problems at all? I do.

Lastly ya write, “But removing the park for some minor traffic problems is not the answer.” Ok, I’ll bite, what is th affordable an workable answer both now an in th future?

As Tracy grows an more kids are in th population, as nice as ya feel this park is, will it be able ta continue ta accommodate th need fer ALL th children or just those lucky enough ta get inta th football league cus thair ain’t room fer ALL of em ta play an participate?

Do ya thank that Tracy’s population is gonna stagnate an stay whare it is forever? From lookin back inta history since I’ve been around I doubt seriously that’s gonna happen.

But I do applaud ya are getting out an startin ta participate in yer local government. Hope ya are not under th illusion that thair always gonna decide in yer favor though. Ya see, it’s just a much bigger picture than th one yer lookin at in that it involves every citizen in Tracy an not just those that live close ta th present Ballpark.

Here's a fact ya can't refute. No matter how this all tarns out some folks are gonna be happy an some folks are gonna be unhappy. An I have no doubt that th folks th majority will be th happy ones unless council fergets this is a City wide community park fer everyone an not a local residential park that only services th folks that live immediately around it. That is a fact an ya can bank on it.



Thank ya fer takin th time ta show up at th meetin an then get back ta th rest of us with yer impressions. Now what I'd really like ta see is someone frum th other side tell us thair impressions as ta what went on in th meetin an th facts an factoids presented.

I won't offer my opinion about it because ya should already know whair I stand on th topic of discussion.

JonnoB
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October 08, 2012
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You are wrong. As the elected president of the Tracy Jr Bulldogs, I am charged with the responsibility of speaking on behalf of the welfare of the franchise. Our organization discussed it as a board in our most recently public meeting and the position is unanimous amongst the elected board members and has been unanimous amongst all those parents in attendance as well as those we have spoken with. The bottom line is that the city proposal does not offer any net benefit to our organization. We may be more accepting of the idea if the issues brought up were addressed - but they have not. They are being brushed aside as unimportant. The park as it is certainly can be improved, but for us and for many others, it serves a valuable purpose as is.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 16, 2012
JonnoB

"You are wrong." Who are you speaking to? It's difficult to tell.

"As the elected president of the Tracy Jr Bulldogs, I am charged with the responsibility of speaking on behalf of the welfare of the franchise."

So, are ya also charged with th responsibility of speakin on behalf of th welfare or all other franchises who represent all th other children who are not in yer group?

"We may be more accepting of the idea if the issues brought up were addressed - but they have not. They are being brushed aside as unimportant."

Have ya addressed these issues with th City? If so where, when an what was th outcome?

It's not that I don't wanna accept yer word fer it but since thair have been so many allegations with no real facts ta back em up with hopefully ya will understand my skepticism.

Should be easy ta prove, written City minutes of th meetin should easily suffie.

Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 05, 2012
While it's nice ya have yer opinions an beliefs thair's a lot of thangs ya have said that simply don't stand up ta th facts.

"As far as parking on Bessie Avenue, or the lights, or even a little garbage that people should pick up, I have never heard anyone in the neighborhood complain about any of those so-called problems."

Well it so happens I am not a developer an I have heard those complaints on numerous occasions. I don't fabricate problems I try ta fix em.

"I doubt very much if the parents of kids who go play at the Tracy Ballpark want their kids walking or bicycling way out over the overpass out by the Holly Sugar area, the site for the proposed new athletic fields, when they have a nice neighborhood park that they trust."

Yer doubts don't establish factual reality. Ya'd have ta poll all of th parents ta make yer statement a fact. As it stands it's yer opinion. Hey, it's OK ta have an opinion.

"Isn’t it enough that all these greedy, money-hungry developers have taken a good portion of the farmland in and around Tracy and put housing developments up?"

Bet ya live in one of them greedy developer built houses that swallered up that farm land. Wanna Bet?

Cont

Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 05, 2012
Believe me when I say that no one in that area of town who uses the Tracy Ballpark wants or deserves housing or apartments on that nice, big area.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 05, 2012
Believe me when I say that no one in that area of town who uses the Tracy Ballpark wants or deserves housing or apartments on that nice, big area.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 05, 2012
cont

We'll give it a thaird attempt. See Tracy Press don't really want this issue discussed.

"Believe me when I say that no one in that area of town who uses the Tracy Ballpark wants or deserves housing or apartments on that nice, big area."

Well I don't believe ya simply fer th fact that I personally know people in that area of town that uses th Tracy Ballpark. Besides th park don't just belong ta th people who live around it but ta everyone in town that uses it. Most of em would like ta use a new, modern, larger facility so what about them?

Just because ya believe somethang or have an opinion about somethang don't make it a fact. If ya check with all th taxpayin an votin citizens of Tracy then ya can state thangs as fact cus ya got th facts ta back em up with.

But ya got somethang right in that if we didn't have all these evil developers suckin up farmland that was dry farm an desert back in th late 19th century, thangs would be a lot quieter an th present Ballpark would be more than adequate if thair was even a need fer it.

Without them thair developer built houses th only houses that would exist would be privately built custom homes an th vast amount of people livin in Tracy would be livin somewhare else. Why would someone build a Ballpark if thair warn't anyone around ta use it? An that assumes that Tracy would even exist taday as other communities would have attracted those people with thair evil developer built houses.

But ya do have a right ta air yer beliefs an opinions, I grant ya that. But lets not confuse em with facts shall we?



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