Your Voice: Ballpark presents perfect opportunity
by Mary Anne Brenkwitz, Tracy
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EDITOR,

With recent discussion regarding the existing Tracy Ballpark property on Tracy Boulevard being sold and used for development, the city finally has the opportunity to do the right thing. This property should be used for a senior housing subdivision.

Tracy has failed in this area, unlike many of the surrounding communities.

It’s a perfect location for seniors — close to the hospital, doctors and shopping. This development could be a combination of lovely homes with very small yards and, perhaps, some luxury condominiums. Please seriously consider this option for Tracy!

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fairdeal
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October 03, 2012
Glad to hear someone took the burden to educate the bureaucrats. This is an example how our city is ran and the lack of vision from our city manager & mayor. Let's bring business in (be a businness friendly town). We are known nowdays for being a pedantic city that put unfair/un-necessary barries for businneses to move in. do not need to look too far, just learn from Manteca. I hope our local government learned that we still count and we "the people" controls who moves to power .... let's exercise our God given freedom to vote this November.
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 03, 2012
Does Manteca have more business than Tracy? Did they ever catch up? I was not aware of that. When did that happen?

Last I heard someone wrote an article saying they were financing everything to try to catch up to Tracy?

Please explain.

Did you mean the shopping mall in Manteca?
Realintracy
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October 03, 2012
The city agreed to take ownership of the property in 1944. For $10 Ritter '"sold" the land to the city for use as a ball filed or park according to a counsel resolution which was presented by Nicolau at he city counsel meeting last night. During his presentation to counsel he noted the archives showed the land was leveled in preparation for the return of our troops from world war two. Nicolau remarked that the park was part of our proud heritage and should be preserved.

Someone did not do their homework at the city. Thankfully, Nicolau did. Rickman and Abercrombie wanted the issue on the next agenda.

It will be interesting to see if it is on the agenda and who is responsible for this debacle. Maciel wanted to sell park to a developer. That hasn't happened yet but he might just get his way.

Let's make sure city hall understands that citizens, not developers, vote to put them in office. November is coming.

Read more: Tracy Press - Our Voice Development discussion must start at grassroots
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 03, 2012
RIT

Ya can do better than spammin yer comments throughout th comment sections can't ya? Yer tactic tells me yer only inta this fer political purposes an really could care less about th topic of discussion, namely th Ball Park an what ta do with it.

At least use some common sense an delete "Read more: Tracy Press - Our Voice Development discussion must start at grassroots," which tells everyone that what ya have done is a simply copy an paste.

Now, can ya speak as ta why ya trust a Lawyer that has thrown in ta this topic that is paid frum some here to for unknown source ta bring this topic ta light just before a Council election which has historically happened every time thair is a Council Election?

Stop playin politics here an lets deal with th issue of the Ball Park an what's th best fer all Citizens of Tracy an not you or a select few individuals. Politics is what is screwing up our town as it polarizes folks inta two camps an no one can do anythang so nothin ends up gettin done. Meanwhile another generation of children grow up with inadequate facilities ta use as they grow inta adulthood.
SNicolaou
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October 04, 2012
Hey Ornley - I am "the Lawyer", Steve Nicolaou. My office number is (209) 832-2501. Give me a call and I'll tell you why I said what I said. I had an uncle who fought the Germans in World War II. He was with the 101st Airborne. Jumped in Normandy, Holland (Operation Market Garden), fought in Bastogne (Battle of the Bulge) and was involved in liberating concentration camps in the spring of 1945. It's because of what he and other guys like him did to preserve our freedom that I spoke because the Ball Park was built to honor them and for what they had done for this country. Both the guys that came home and their buddies who didn't. So call me and we'll chat. Otherwise, continue to hide behind your anonymity.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 04, 2012


SNicolaou

I prefer to stand behind my anonymity for reasons relational to family and people's tendency to take retribution against family members who have nothing to do with my thoughts and conversations.

Personal attacks against me is something I can weather but am not willing to place my family members in the same boat simply because I am related to them. I hope and believe that you will understand. If not there ain't ;>) anything I can do about it but I will not change my mind here. Personal experiences can be a hard teacher.

From your note it seems that your uncle and my father had a lot in common with regards to WWII and I do appreciate and honor your comments.

Dad entered the war courtesy of the 82nd Airborne Divisions pre-invasion of Normandy that was designed to make the main invasion a lot easier by taking out some of the German installations there. History shows that didn't work out as well as planned even though there was benefit derived from the effort.

After the invasion he did reform into the 101st and made jumps with them. His stint in the war ended at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge when he found himself missing his left hand and in a full length body cast for two years located in Springfield Missouri.

I do applaud you sir for remembering our honored war veterans and the sacrifices they made for our freedoms. No further explanation as to why you spoke out is necessary because I do understand and agree with you.

But I will say, knowing Dad as I did and his love of base ball, he played first base for a wounded veterans club called The Ramblin Wrecks, I do believe, after literally growing up on a baseball diamond while watching Dad play, that he would understand the greater benefit and yield the honor accorded to him and his brothers to better service it and expand it for benefit our children.

As much as Dad loved baseball he loved children more and always put them ahead of himself. Such is the sacrifice and honor these men exhibited with their lives, and I believe that such is the sacrifice and honor they would make today if they were still living today and had the opportunity to do so.

That is precisely why I have suggested naming the Sports Facility either after the man who donated the park and if his family could agree even have it named after the veterans who participated in WWII and after and thus better preserve the memory for the sacrifices they made and the very people he wished to honor would be even honored at a greater level.

Will this happen? Honestly I don't know but I wouldn't mind if it did and don't think that our veterans would either.

Thank you for responding and who knows, perhaps we will chat one day. But don't worry, you still won't know your speaking with Ornery.

By the way. For your knowledge, I use the Ornery moniker in honor of a veteran of that same name who was very instrumental in accomplishing a great many benefits that directly affected a great many people.

Orney was a actual person and he steadfastly refused any praise or honor that someone might try to bestow on him. He was a friend and taught me a great many things. So I try to keep his memory alive by feebly attempting to talk like him and share his great wisdom with others.

Incidentally, I am a Vietnam Combat Veteran and thus learned first hand how to hate war and the difficulties experienced by those who fought with dignity and honor.

We were all kids then, forced to quickly grow up into men and, if we were fortunate enough, return to our loved ones as men much different from the wide eyed boys we were when we first got there. War has a tendency to do that to people.

It was my honor to serve and a service I would gladly perform again if I had the ability to do so. I have great respect and empathy for those who are currently in service along with their families. I pray their sacrifices will be the last that ever need to be made but in the same breath am thankful for the future soldiers that will step up to the plate and unfortunately endure the sacrifices they make for whom they value more than they value their own lives.

I believe that is the essence of what it really means to be a veteran and one who serves willingly with honor for the cause of freedom and why I go out of my way to honor them.

Thanks again

O.G.
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 04, 2012
That and some guy who used to comment on here once called me on the phone. He spent hours trying to tell me how all the city council members are corrupt, and the county supervisor, and on and on and on with words for a lot of other people. You would be surprised. I listened to the guy, but it was a lot of one sided-ness and in the end I did not think it was very fair assesment. Especially after he asked me to make comments for him on the Tracy Press website.

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time or desire to further someone else's political agenda.

fairdeal
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October 02, 2012
what you called "opportunity", I called abuse of government power and lack of respect for the citizens of the area. I invested in the area for 15 years and have a place where I took my two children to play. If this project moves forward it will illustrates once again how unconsidered the city is toward the people who lives in the area and the youth who needs free recreational instead of paid recreational areas. This abuse of power is a disgrace that needs to be stopped and denounce. People of Tracy, wake up!! we already pay lots of taxes in this city and now the city wants to increase revenue to keep the wonderful pension plans of the city unions (employees, police & fire). it is unfair to the hard working families in Tracy to reduce a wonderful green area, just because our city government does not accept to leave within its means. let's stand up against this abuse of power. We already gave a tax break wo years ago. My taxes paid for those fields!!! City of Tracy, stay out of it!! City counselors: your job is to defend the interest of the people that placed you in the position of power to serve. City Mayor: Time for more progressive ideas .... bring jobs to Tracy!!
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 03, 2012
Is the neighborhood using the entire football field or just the park? My understanding is there is a neighborhood park that is adjacent to the football field.

Are taxes lower in Tracy than other cities?
Realintracy
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October 01, 2012
Orlney,

You always side with the city and your tone of late is dismissive when citizens voice their concerns or negative opinions regarding the city and the city council. I looked up some of your past quotes and ran across this one dated 12/30/2009, where you wrote the following;

"Yer government ain't a spectator sport. It requires ya ta participate. If ya can't do that in one proactive way or another then th best thing ya can do is just stop yer yammerin on about things because yer yammerin ain't gettin th job done an ain't doin anyone any good."

Perhaps you should applaud the citizens for being proactive, circulating a petition, and expressing their concerns. In other words, they are doing what you suggested in the first part of our quote. It seems your true feelings were more direct....they should just shut up and take it, cuz the kouncil nose whts best....
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 01, 2012
Realintracy

An ya are always on th negative fer anythang th City does. I do applaud citizens fer bein proactive but first they need ta have somethang ta be proactive about. Thair ain't no decision made yet on what ta do about it yet people are commin unglued at th seams over just possible suggestions on what ta do with it. Put yer thoughts inta what ya wanna believe I'm thankin a suggestion but really council ain't even made a hint of a decision, just listenin ta suggestions an alternatives.

An th quote, ya have seemed ta take a little out of context on this dealt with people votin an bein proactively involved with thair government. Hint, bein proactive don't mean findin fault with everythang particularly when ya personally don't like someone. Bein proactive means sittin down an calmly discussin thangs with folks an even th folks ya don't like until ya can all reach a decision that works fer everyone an not just a few.

Unfortunately most people taday don't understand th word proactive an seem ta have th notion that ya gotta raise a big stink an cause a big problem ta get thangs on th right rack. That rarely works.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 01, 2012
As far as dismissive. I do admit gettin a little dismissive when I hear a person puttin thair longevity in th community forward with th thought that somehow it gives em more rights than anyone else. If ya have been here fer 60 or 3 years it don't really make a difference. Both are members of th communuty an both have th same rights an no special consideration should be given based on longevity.

Still no one has offered an explanation if th park is a gift with stipulations or not other than somethang said in th press by a relative an third party ta th whole thang.

I have pointed out that such a gift with such a stipulation that lasted forever wasn't a gift at all. No comment on that either.

But all sorts of negative comments about people with no facts ta back em up an issued as if thair th gospel truth.

Don't know about you but that don't sound to proactive with respect ta gettin somethang accomplished.

Never said th council knows best or that th people shouldn't express thair views on thangs. But since council hasn't made any inklin of a notion on what it intends ta do with this park all th vitriol an angst I am hearin is not much more than th noise of th blowin wind an is accomplishin nothin but raisin yer blood pressure.

It's usually a good idea ta understand what people are proposin ta do before ya start complainin about somethang they don't even know they might do.

An lets be honest, it wouldn't be all that big issue if someone didn't wanna politicize is because of th upcomin election. It happens every two years, you should have larned that by now.

RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 01, 2012
It is true that people get more upset about these things around election time. Yep. It's that time of the year already. Expect a few more by this time November

rosa62
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October 01, 2012
Ornley sounds like Councilman Maciel doesn't he?
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 02, 2012
rosa62,

I think Ornley_Gumfudgen is saying people are blowing it out of proportion. The letter to the Tracy Press says it presents an "opportunity". Yet, people are still trying to turn it into something negative. Or even attempt to make it appear as if only one or two people disagree with them.

Probably if those people are elected they would change their tune. Before an election people are saying things to appease the populace. Now, if they got up there and told the people ,"no", on balancing the budget and did not come up with any ideas to help balance the budget. They would stick out like a sore thumb.
JonnoB
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October 01, 2012
This ballpark is currently used by two local youth football non-profit organizations nearly every night of the week for 5 months out of the year. One of those has been in this town for 39 years.

The proposal does not contemplate or provide for the following things that the programs depend upon. For example:

1) Many of the kids (as young as 6 years old) depend on foot and bicycle transportation to get to and from practice. Moving it to the edge of town and across a freeway for daily practice is not feasible.

2) A build-out at Holly Sugar would happen only after the property was sold. This would be down-time of a minimum of 1 year, and quite possible 2-3 years while the programs would not have an alternative location in which to practice.

3) The programs depend on the benefit of marketing by "sight" - ie, a rather large percentage of kids join because they see others there practicing.

4) The projected fees could not build out the same amenities to supprot youth football. The two organizations each have 4 levels of football. To get the same with bathrooms, storage, bleachers, and most importantly, lights.

sugarbee80
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October 01, 2012
Over 600 residents have signed petitions to keep the ball park as it is. Leave our neighborhood park alone! How well would it go over if the City of Tracy went into a new neighborhood and told the residents that they were going to take out one of their parks and put in apartments because there’s no money to keep the park open? And then tell the residents it’s no big deal just drive 5 miles out of Tracy to enjoy another park. My neighborhood has been in existents close to 70 years. I think we have EARNED the right not to have our park STOLEN for us!!
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 01, 2012
sugarbee80

Ya really need ta get a grip on reality. Th new park is slightly over one mile north of the present Ball Park, not five miles out of Tracy.

Parks belong ta everyone in Tracy an not just you. Ya livin thair fer 70 years don't entitle ya ta much of anythang except fer respect since ya have managed ta live that long. Ya didn't EARN anythang as much as ya might thank ya did.

Th park isn't goin ta be STOLEN but used fer a different purpose fer th benefit of ALL Tracy Citizens an not just fer yer sole benefit.

Thair is a difference between a community park an a neighborhood park as much as people don't understand it an how thair maintained.

Th small neighborhood parks are fer th neighborhoods, even though anyone in th city can use em. They are maintained by taxes levied against those neighborhoods, unlike th community parks that are funded by th general fund that everyone pays inta.

In short, th Ball Park is not YOUR park, it belongs ta every Citizen in Tracy.

Besides, no one has firmly decided what is goin ta go on. This is th brainstormin session about what ta do. Yer gettin yerself worked up over somethang that might never happen.
PublicCitizen
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October 01, 2012
You didn't build that park, someone else did!
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 01, 2012
Of those 600 people, did anyone tell any of them if somebody took the time to ask the family if they are ok turning it into a college? Just curious.
RedHotChilliPeppers
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October 01, 2012
Here is the bottom line.

A long time ago the only business that existed around that park was the bait and tackle shop on th corner.

Now it has gotten packed and people are parking across the four lane boulevard and walking across on the median strip to get to the football park.

I won't sign a petition to keep a park when I know it's unsafe for the children to use it.
me-here
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October 05, 2012
It bothers me that so many of the commentators have nothing to do but overload the comments with their incoherant (ornley) and constant college at at the ballpark ideas (RedHots)...you have had your 15 minutes of fame. I appreciate newcomers with new comments.

SAVE OUR BALL PARK ...Thank you Atty. Nicolaou for coming up with real information.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 05, 2012
me-here

What bothers me even more than that is that ya can't come up with somethang better ta contribute ta th conversation so ya continue ta show yer displeasure through continued personal attacks against people.

If ya don't wanna contribute a comment germane ta th topic that's OK. An anyone else can chime in when they wanna. But as far as gettin upset when people make comments ya don't like, well that's just kinda too bad.

It's called freedom an ya really ought ta thank about lettin people have it instead of tryin ta coerce em ta yer will by command or insult.
jimf01
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September 28, 2012
rhcp - I will look at the information available on the condition of Tracy Ballpark, before I make a judgment on what is or is not in "dire need of replacement and repairs" there. Unless you have the figures of what these needless repairs would amount to, I will assume you are making useless conjecture right now. A new field to replace the existing one, any way you add it up, would cost more than repairs to an existing field on property the city already owns.

As for your other claim, jaywalking by park users is an issue to consider? Someone got hit by a car near my neighborhood park, should we pave it over? Or should we not put parks near roads? How would people get to the park? You're a silly person.

Lastly, I do not know why I have to repeat myself, it was the gift of a PARK, and NOT a gift of land to use however some 5 person elected body wants to decide to use it.

RedHotChilliPeppers
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September 28, 2012
jimf01,

Don't make assumptions. There are pictures of the field in the other article.

Don't make assumptions. I'm not that silly.

Don't make assumptions. The parking lot is too small for that to be a safe park. Jaywalking? On a 4 lane Boulevard? It's like the Trojan horse.

I'm not being silly, here.

Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 01, 2012
me-here

Regardin yer "sand lots" comment.

OK, I'm game, ya sold me. Now all ya gotta do is ta pick up th insurance liability tab ta keep some kid's parents frum suin th pants off th city cus thair kid broke an ankle in a ground squirrel hole while playin in th park.

In case ya haven't noticed, when league play is scheduled at th park it takes p residence over other casual usage of th park.

Kids can play on it anytime it ain't bein used by th leagues an when it's taken out of service fer maintenance an some down time fer th turf ta rejuvenate itself after th normal abuse of bein used.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 01, 2012
Gonna take ya up on yer comment. Go down ta Parks an Community Services an see fer yerself what this park costs th city ta keep up an what needs ta be done.

Oh right, ya can't cus ya don't trust em ta tell ya th truth. So, tell me, whair ya gonna get yer information. Right, from TP. Good luck with that cus thair only right about 50% of th time. Th rest is sensationalistic journalism, if ya can call it journalism.

An ya have ta repeat yerself because ya don't know what th meanin of a gift is. When ya give somethang ta someone do ya give it with strings attached?

An if it's somethang like land an ya want ta attach some strings ta it don't ya see ta it that it's documented somewhair so others can see what th gift was an th strings attached ta it?

An ya honestly call someone else a silly person?

Prove it was a gift with th stipulations legally documented an then ya can sat that was th case. until ya can it's simply one person's word against another's with no substantial proof thair was a stipulation on how it was ta be used fer eternity.

Given th closures an re-usage of publicly owned land everywhare in th US I doubt that any court of law is gonna eclair that publicly owned land is gonna be used fer th same purposes it was originally used fer for all of eternity an a gift made under those stipulations certainly is no gift but eventually a burden ta th public.

Again, this ball park don't belong ta just th residents around it. It belongs ta every citizen in Tracy an not just a select few.
RedHotChilliPeppers
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September 30, 2012
me-here,

All I'm asking is one simple question.

Did anyone ask the family if they're ok with a change?

College and keep the park by the homes?

me-here
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September 30, 2012
Before game sites had to be perfectly manicured,

some of us remember "sand lots" and played on any site we could gather for the fun of our games. When organized games at our ball park is not in use, kids could have their own park games. Not all games need so much structure. SAVE OUR BALL PARK.
RedHotChilliPeppers
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September 30, 2012
Further, I had already asked. What is the issue with turning it into a school / college?

Let them pay for the parking structure and keep the park that "me-here", said to "stay the h*ll out of", if I remember correctly.

Did the family who gifted it, have anything to say about it. Why don't you all ask them first?
RedHotChilliPeppers
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September 30, 2012
jimf01,

You said people are jawwalking. That is either being silly or downplaying a safety issue. The fact is there is not enough room left in the parking lot. It is literally bulging at the seams. In fact, cars are pushing fences into homeowners yards. The only way to add more parking spaces is to blaze over peoples homes or build a parking structure. The capital improvement fund ahould NOT be used for grazing homes and parking structures. Remember "me-here" asked us to stay the "h*ll" out of his park. He wants to protect the park on the far side of tacobell. And I actually agree with him (he just did not take the time to ask me). I do not think we should take that park away from the homes there.

However, there still exists a VERY real safety issue (like it or not) where families are walking across a dangerous 4to lane boulevard, without using a crosswalk. A recipe for disaster, which would NOT be tolerated by school sports (safe routes to schools (and school sports)). Sorry, but if the candidates do not offer to pay for the synthetic fields and parking atructure, there should be NO discussion, here, on this isue.

Ornley_Gumfudgen
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September 29, 2012
dcose

An since I agree with ya I am sick an tired of bein here ta read that yer sick an tired of bein here ta read that me-here is sick an tired of someone excercisin thair Freedom of Speech.

An I suspect a whole lot of people are sick an tired of me making any comments at all as well.

Lots of people sick an tired. Perhaps we all ought ta just give it a rest. Less sickness an no one is tired.

Nah, that'd make to much sense. :)

Thanks fer th chuckle.
dcose
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September 29, 2012
me-here

Free Speech bites eh.

I sick and tired that [me] is even on [here].

me-here
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September 29, 2012
I for one am sick and tired of RedHotPeppers being a loud mouth against everything that comes up for discussion.
jimf01
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September 28, 2012
I looked at the other article. Parks guy Rod B said “We don’t have the funding … for a capital improvement project to improve those fields”.

This is another assumption and more conjecture. There is not necessarily an imperative that we have a CIP for the park. Kids are playing on it. Repairs can be done incrementally, sports leagues are doing their own fundraising and paying for some parts of the new complex at Holly Sugar, that's a fact.

It is a simple fix to reduce (once more facilities are available) concurrent use of the existing park, and to pave an additional section of the existing acreage. A atrip of asphalt for an additional row of cars is not a huge CIP. If that is feasible, it should be examined. We certainly want to preserve the safety of the Tracy Blvd dashers. Or direct them to a crosswalk, perhaps. We could write the directions on a jaywalking citation, which would bring more city revenue.

Because the motivation here, for the city of Tracy, is revenue. That much is clear. Sell the land, revenue. Build housing, revenue. More residents, revenue. Neighborhood preservation takes a back seat.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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October 01, 2012
Another thang jim01.

Ya seem ta have some misconception about th term representative government.

It works this way. A group of citizens, in this case those who make up th City of Tracy, elect five people by majority ballot ta represent em.

Do these five represent all of th citizens or th majority of em? I thank ya agree it's up ta th politician ta represent th majority an not th minority even though many times it may seem ta be th opposite.

So this 5 person elected body don't really make th decision, th majority of th citizens who feels th same way do. Do ya really thank they make these decisions all on thair own without any input frum th community they represent?

If ya do then why bother ta even vote cus thair gonna do what they wanna do anyway an ya got no choice in th matter.

Better yet, you run fer office, get elected an then you can make all th decisions with total disregard ta anyone else.

City Council has th right ta decide how ta use this park an thair gonna listen ta th majority of th citizens in makin that decision. It's how our system of government works an if it don't then none of yer carpin or my carpin is gonna make any difference so it's pointless ta play th game at all.

As far as costs new field over old.

A new field is cheaper ta build. We don't have ta worry about land costs cus we already own both. So we're talkin infrastructure, or more specifically those thangs that largely are below ground.

Ta refurbish an existin park ya gotta take out all that old infrastructure an replace it with new. Ya don't have ta absorb that cost when ya start out with a new park.

Now ya can maintain th old stuff fer a long time but eventually it needs ta be replaced. On a small facility this is a problem because if th impact takin that facility off line ta do maintenance has. Not so with a large facility. Ya simply close that portion of th facility an keep th other part open.

So ya see yer comment "A new field to replace the existing one, any way you add it up, would cost more than repairs to an existing field on property the city already owns," is not accurate an false. Fer one, th city already owns th facility out on th old Holly Sugar complex. So what we're really talkin about is th park itself, less th cost of land, an how much it will take ta modernize it versus takin that money an puttin it inta a larger facility better suited ta service th needs of th entire City an not just th desires of a few in th City as that park attempts ta service th league needs fer th entire city.

Merry Christmas, here's yer gift. But if ya don't use that gift fer what I tell ya ta use it fer I'm gonna take it away. Do ya tell that ta yer Children each Christmas? If ya do it's really not a gift now is it?

jimf01
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September 28, 2012
rhcp - You make a faulty assumption the ballpark will be empty or unused.

The new ballparks that have been approved, aren't even built yet, and barely fill the need of existing sports leagues, and I believe fall short of the needed capacity in some areas. The ballpark can and will be used.

No one thinks that a lot full of weeds should be preserved, a park, with fields, that was gifted to Tracy, should be preserved, and used, as it is now by the people of Tracy. That is what the candidates support. At least, most of them do. One does not.
RedHotChilliPeppers
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September 28, 2012
jimf01,

Much of what you say is forward looking statements that may or may not have relavence 25 years down the line, as the new ballparks you wrote about extend capacity planning beyond the next 6 or 7 elections. At four years each election cycle.

Further, it does not make sense to use an older type of field that is in dire need of replacement and repairs, especially when there are additional safety issues related to that ballpark. People are walking across the center divide of Tracy Boulevard.

And with all the voters approving Measure E for public safety, I do not know if the voters want to pay for all those upgrades that are required, only to face public safety issues related to that park. It could force those council persons to approve another Measure E extension.

Do you want to extend Measure E just for unsafe nostalgia?

If it was a gift, why cant our community use it in the best interest of the community without it becoming an unsafe fiancial burden?

I do not know where you stand on Public Safety and Measure E, but I for one would oppose needless spending and being asked by those in the next council to approve another Measure E.

me-here
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September 29, 2012
Another thought....if the City doesn't want to leave the park for the people who want it...then give the park back to the Ritter family and see what THEY do with it. It wouldn't be apartments!

68 years ago when gifted for $10 and a handshake, most of you voices weren't even here. I WAS.

My back yard faces the ball park with its lights, noise and parking along side my property and I am not complaining. The noise is happy noise. When not in use, it is safe to walk there. We use the park every day/night.

Ornley_Gumfudgen
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September 29, 2012
jim01

Since ya have said it more than once, how do ya know it was gifted ta Tracy an if that's a fact, what difference does it make?

As far as I have been able ta larn, an admittedly it ain't much, we only have one family members allegation it was gifted ta be used in perpetuity as a Ball Park. Is thair any written proof it was gifted ta th city fer that perpetual reason?

If thair's solid verifiable proof it was gifted fer that purpose then that does hold some weight. But since it apparently isn't stipulated in some type of legal document, how does anyone really know except fer th fond memories of someone about a member of thair family?

Now I'll leave an let ya discuss it with someone else. Just wanted ta know what special insight makes ya positively certain it was gifted fer use as a Ball Park in perpetuity.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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September 29, 2012
me-here

Since ya were here 68 years ago an were apparently old enough ta see an know about that $10 an a handshake "gift", whair none of us were here, not wishin ta be rude but who is really gonna remember it twenty years frum now after yer gone an no one else knew about it?

An if ya in deed were thair ta know about it, can ya tell us why nothin was apparently done in writin?

It's land period.

It was apparently gifted ta th City, perhaps then fer a Ball Park. But if it was really th noble gesture of gifting somethang that would benefit th citizens of Tracy, why a stipulation that it only be an remain a Ball Park? Couldn't other thangs be done with it that might better th community? Just a Ball Park an nothin else.

That don't sound like an honest good will gesture ta hamstring a city over th use of land it owns FOREVER.

Look, thangs change. An while th nostalgic look at Tracy of yesteryear might be nice, thangs change.

Tracy High has changed. Th stadium thair has changed. Th ole Plunge is gone an filled in. Th hotels down by th bow tie have gone. Th Grand Theater, while nice, is a shell of it's former self.

Use ta have an A&W on 11th street. Ate thair all th time. It's gone now. Gerrards is closing. Th men's clothing store downtown is closing. Remember th hardware store on th North corner of 10th an Central? Gone, just a fond memory an all th people that worked thair.

Nope, ya just can't freeze time an live in th past. Thangs change just as you an I have changed. It's just th way life is.

In fact if ya look at Tracy taday, it don't look much like it did back in th 1980's much less 68 years ago. Fer one, all th land frum th railroad tracks on th southwest side of th bow tie was all farmland out ta th airport.
jimf01
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September 28, 2012
This is an important community park and Tracy tradition. Establishing housing and destroying the park would be a tragedy. The land was donated to the city, as I understand it, with the condition that it be used for a park. Removing green space in the heart of the city degrades the character of the city, no matter where you are.

There is nothing wrong with senior housing, it is a worth effort. Tracy Ballpark is just the wrong site for it.

The City Council will make a decision on this issue in the next term. Know the candidates positions on this issue. Not all of them fully back the preservation of the ballpark

video at http://youtu.be/qbQNka5XhKg
RedHotChilliPeppers
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September 28, 2012
jimf01,

Maybe people do not like homes on a nostalgic balloark.

But why would a candidate want to preserve an empty ballpark?

And for how many years after the new parks open?

Would'nt that mean weed abatement?

Why cannot a suitable use be found for the old football field?

Maybe a college?

Somethimg other than weeds?

Just a thought.



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