Besides, when you place the word "Integrity" on the side of your vehicles and expect your cops to live up to that standard "while you're not living up to it" people begin to question you.

You do have two years to complete POST but it's been twenty three months and two weeks. The requirement for her, when she was hired, was twelve months, and that's long since past.

Complacency is why we've got the problems we got BigUnc. I don't believe that closing our eyes will make the problem go away.

You have two years to complete POST.

I think you're mistaken regarding the POST requirement for California Police Officers BadBoyz. POST certification is most certainly required! To clear up any confusion on your part here is the link to the penal code section 832 which governs POST certification for peace officers in California. I also pasted the the section in case you don't want to try the link.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/832.htmla)

Every person described in this chapter as a peace officer shall satisfactorily complete an introductory course of training prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

On or after July 1, 1989, satisfactory completion of the course shall be demonstrated by passage of an appropriate examination developed or approved by the commission. Training in the carrying and

use of firearms shall not be required of any peace officer whose employing agency prohibits the use of firearms.

(b) (1) Every peace officer described in this chapter, prior to the exercise of the powers of a peace officer, shall have satisfactorily completed the course of training described in

subdivision (a).

(2) Every peace officer described in Section 13510 or in subdivision (a) of Section 830.2 may satisfactorily complete the training required by this section as part of the training prescribed

pursuant to Section 13510.

(c) Persons described in this chapter as peace officers who have not satisfactorily completed the course described in subdivision (a),

as specified in subdivision (b), shall not have the powers of a peace officer until they satisfactorily complete the course.

(d) Any peace officer who, on March 4, 1972, possesses or is qualified to possess the basic certificate as awarded by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) shall be exempted from this section.

(e) (1) Any person completing the training described in subdivision (a) who does not become employed as a peace officer within three years from the date of passing the examination described

in subdivision (a), or who has a three-year or longer break in service as a peace officer, shall pass the examination described in subdivision (a) prior to the exercise of the powers of a peace

officer, except for any person described in paragraph (2).

(2) The requirement in paragraph (1) does not apply to any person who meets any of the following requirements:

(A) Is returning to a management position that is at the second level of supervision or higher.

(B) Has successfully requalified for a basic course through the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

(C) Has maintained proficiency through teaching the course described in subdivision (a).

(D) During the break in California service, was continuously employed as a peace officer in another state or at the federal level.

(E) Has previously met the requirements of subdivision (a), has been appointed as a peace officer under subdivision (c) of Section 830.1, and has been continuously employed as a custodial officer as defined in Section 831 or 831.5 by the agency making the peace officer appointment since completing the training prescribed insubdivision (a).

I agree the next step is dealing with the rising gang problem and putting a lid on the rising crime problem and hopefully someone at the police department can develop a strategy to deal with that.

My point is still the same.

"When you set requirements for hiring you should follow them and not make changes in the middle to suit your needs."

I don't really care to argue something so pointless. Even the POST Certification that you are upset about is a VOLUNTARY certification.

It is not a requirement. POST certification is NOT even paid for out of tax dollars. POST Certification only gives them an incentive for completing.

It's encouraged, but voluntary.

Not big deal to me either.

I am more corncerned that they kept Herzog out of Tracy and brought several people to convictions.

All good if you ask me.

Of course the next step is dealing with the rising problem between rival gangs and gangs from other cities.

Gotta have priorities or you will go crazy like that.

All I'm saying BadBoyz, is that when you set requirements for hiring someone you should follow them and not make changes to suit your needs.

Having a four year degree is usually placed on a job requirement and can be substituted with experience. I have interviewed people with and without degrees. In every instance the job requirement said four year degree. It doesn't make a bit of difference if a qualified candidate has a four year degree. Some people work four years and learn what they need to do their job. The majority of people out there don't have four year degrees. I talked to a business woman who has been running a successful business with only a HS graduation. Nothing else. No resume neeeded. She has done really well even without a four year degree. It can be done, but I always tell my nephews and nieces to pursue college, because they will have greater opportunities. Only because there are some people in the world who can't learn to think outside the box.

The same goes for the hiring a police chief.

When a city manager and his/her personnel department set a requirement like "getting POST certified within 12 months of employment"; then blatantly ignore or waive that requirement; it sends a message to the other employees that the rules only apply to them and not to the city manager and his staff, which is exactly what pcmiles is talking about.

So webedoomed's comment is right;

"Until Mr. Churchill obtains the courage to hire department heads that will do right by their departments and the city, stand by for more of the same. Whether it be a crony from Kansas or the appointment of a 62 year old whose best qualification may be that he'll get along well with other city administrators (read "Do what the city manager says"), this is what happens when you hire for personal loyalty instead of who is best or right for the job."

Yes but when a city manager ignores the conditions "he" made for hiring someone "must have a 4 year degree", so "he" can hire someone that doesn't meet them then "he" makes people ask that question.

This article isn't about Chief Nero; it's about accountability on the part of the police chief, the city manager, and the mayor and city council.

It tells the mayor and city council they need to start holding the police chief accountable for the outbreak in crime in Tracy; they need to hold the city manager accountable for her actions, because after all "he" is her boss; and the mayor and city council need to know that the citizens are tired of their continuing to "overlook" the city manager and police chiefs poor performance regarding crime in Tracy.

I do respect tveryone's opinion so why don't we focus on the topic and stop trying to discredit pcmiles for having an opinion.

pcmiles could be right and there could be a coverup? Look at what happened in the city of Bell.

These tp articles are a breeding ground for vitrol. Without even knowing why someone was hired people assume they hired him not because of experience, but because he is an alleged "crony".

Yes, author another fine example of "criticism".

I could watch the Jerry Springer show instead of this.

Until Mr. Churchill obtains the courage to hire department heads that will do right by their departments and the city, stand by for more of the same. Whether it be a crony from Kansas or the appointment of a 62 year old whose best qualification may be that he'll get along well with other city administrators (read "Do what the city manager says"), this is what happens when you hire for personal loyalty instead of who is best or right for the job.

BTW, no offense towards Chief Nero. I hope he does a good job for us (citizens of Tracy), but time will tell.

I hope you're not talking about our President?

And tweety bird would be?

I wish you people would stop bickering and make your point.

Hey apairro, how about those Bears??? Going to the Super Bowl... I'm sure Ditka's proud...

Go Chicago!

Everytime pcmiles posts it seems like you are right there to try to discredit him apairro and support the police chief. I think tommybahama's right, you must be someone from inside the police department.

pcmiles, If the validity of the original complaint thingy is no longer an issue than I see no reason for Sodargreen to persue the matter. You just answered your own question. Did we miss something?

The problem is that people voted for tweety bird.

People just want to hear tart soundbytes.

Not much else there.