Our Voice: Water park priorities must make sense
by TP Editorial Board
Jan 14, 2011 | 4191 views | 23 23 comments | 25 25 recommendations | email to a friend | print
It seems odd indeed that final plans for the first phase of a water park planned off Corral Hollow Road don’t include either a competition or recreational swimming pool in the first phase of development.

After all, providing a place for swim teams to practice and host meets was the genesis of the project in the first place. Pools at local high schools are often unavailable for swim team practices and meets, the city has been told repeatedly. The development of swim teams beyond the original Tracy Tritons, as well as increased interest in water polo and possibly even synchronized swimming, add weight to the idea that meeting the needs of those aquatic athletes is an essential element of the water park.

The 52-meter competition pool and a recreational pool with an area for swim lessons are included in the second phase of the project, but there is no funding for the estimated $15 million cost of that second phase.

If the funding were in place and the pools were assured to follow in a few years, it wouldn’t much matter which facility was included in the first or second phase. But it could take years for the second phase to be developed.

In fact, the city’s set-aside aquatics park budget is about $2 million short of the estimated $15 million for the first phase alone. Though there is hope that lower-than-estimated construction bids could make up the difference, that leaves Phase 2 fully unfunded and, possibly, far off in the future.

As envisioned at a recent City Council meeting, the first phase is centered on several water slides. Also included are an appealing lazy river and an interactive water fountain; a shallow activity pool; a play structure with nozzles, fountains and other amenities; and landscaped picnic areas. Both phases were showcased in a virtual-image presentation that architects showed City Council members recently. In total, it’s an attractive water-oriented space.

But what is projected in the first phase is essentially a water-slide park without a swimming pool in sight. If water-slide parks are so popular and such great revenue-generators, why are commercial water slides at Vernalis and Manteca now closed? The city can ill-afford an expensive, unsustainable amenity.

While architects are in the process of tweaking final elements of the plans and before bids are sought, it might be a good time for the city administration and council to step back and take a long, hard look at what the first phase of the water park will include — and not include — to make absolutely certain their priorities make sense. 

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proudcougarparent
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March 06, 2012
ALL OF YOU STOP YOUR COMPLAINING AND JUST BE HAPPY THEY ARE "FINALLY" PLANNING SOMETHING FUN FOR OUR KIDS... WE ALSO NEED A NEW MOVIE THEATER, AND A NICE BOWLING ALLEY IN A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD. C'MON GUYS!!! SUUPORT THE CITY DON'T TRASH IT.
PatientType
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January 27, 2011
Good editorial.

It would seem that this is an ill considered time for the City of Tracy to be gambling thirty million dollars on the idea of building what amounts to a City-sponsored amusement park.

Perhaps the City should focus staff time and attention on it's core business, efficiently providing municipal services to residents.

Frankly, I lack confidence that current City management has the competence or aptitude to successfully plan and implement a speculative, $30M water park. If they fail, they simply blame it on the economy or consultants or anyone else who looks remotely culpable and they'll look for another highly paid City management position while Tracy City residents will own a very large white elephant.

It's interesting that we entrust individuals that lack any successful entrepreneurial track record with managing a project like this. Even more confounding as to why we pay them as if they actually HAD that kind of expertise.

Anyone want to buy a train station? It's in unused, almost new condition. To increase patronage it is suggested that potential buyers consider relocating the station and try operating it adjacent to tracks that carry passengers.
HawkEyes2see
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January 24, 2011
Tracymomplus5,

PG&E owns the natural gas and Chevron owns the crude pipes. You drive over them every day. More on that below.

Anyway, earlier you complained the pool wouldn't be built because your so-called "expert" recommended it should be over 1000 feet away. Now we find out it actually is the distance your so-called "expert" recommended.

If San Bruno had a set back like Ellis, do you think those fires would have spread from home to home? I don't.

But San Bruno had no setback. There is a picture of it on wikipedia showing pieces of the pipe. That pipe is 0 feet from a home. In fact, it's pictured in their own yard. More importantly, PG&E couldn't turn off the gas because they didn't upgrade the shutoff valves and that's why the fire continued to spread from home to home.

We've all known for years that those pipes should include automatic shutoff valves. But, ironically your lawsuit focuses on the distance to the pool, which you admitted is already there. Meaning, you're wasting our time. I think your so-called "expert" mishandled the lawsuit paperwork, AGAIN and now it's just another of your costly delays and a matter of time until it will be tossed too.

Incidently, those same pipes are in the Cosco parking lot. Right beside the gas pumps and under the electric transmission lines. You and eight hundred thousand other people probably parked your SUV over top of them and didn't even know it.
TracyGuy95376
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January 24, 2011
Hawk - thank you for proving my point. A fancy water park does exist in Oakland, and I'm still never going. It has nothing to do with the distance I'd have to travel, but the environment I'd be surrounded by. There are two types of cities in this country: those where the civil people prevail, and those where the criminals prevail. In Oakland, crime has prevailed. In Tracy, it's a neck, and neck battle lately. While I hope that the decent people prevail, and Tracy becomes known for more than just murders, and gang-activity, it doesn't seem likely. The steady increase of crime in this town vs. the steadily decreasing resources of our Police Department tells me that Tracy may never again be the civil community it once was.
Tracymomplus5
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January 23, 2011
The setbacks for the houses are 100 ft, right next to the pipes, the pool may be 1000 ft, however 1000 feet is the minimum recommended by the experts for one 30 inch pipeline for a high consequence area. This site has three pipelines - one 36", one 26" and one 18". The first two have natural gas, the smaller one has crude oil. They run together in the same easement corridor through the Ellis subdivision. Anytime you have underground pipes or utilities they are there by easement, whether official in writing or established over time. San Bruno blast left destruction on 15 acres - that is more than 1000 feet. Get it? This has been known by the mayor and council, they have been told many times, they don't care about the safety of the children. They care about the developers - look around the town. Go outside your house, walk across the street and then look at your house - If there is an explosion your house will be gone. Pools and houses can be built somewhere else, away from the main transmission pipelines. These are not the small distribution lines that run through our neighborhoods, get it straight.
apairro
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January 21, 2011
Tracymom, That pool is definitely over one thousand feet from the pipes. Your friend needs to get out a map. The pool will actually be located at Middlefield Drive just north of Linne Rd. In fact, there is already a pool at Middlefield Drive. Have your friend stop off at AAA and get a map.

HawkEyes2see
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January 21, 2011
TracyGuy95375,

The fanciest water park is already located in Oakland. It's called Jack London Square. And the ferry ride is a hoot.

Another article in todays tracypress.com says there is a demand for pools. Its about Kimball High pools.

It sounds like there will be a rather high demand.

Tracymomplus5,

I suspect you are wrong about the citizen who complained about the easement distance from the pool. Pethaps the citizen you are referring to (whoever it is) purposefully gave you misinformation about the distance the pool will be from the pool?

Perhaps they have a hidden agenda?

They must not live in Tracy, or they would already know this information?

TracyGuy95376
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January 21, 2011
Well, I see it like this: You can put the biggest, fanciest, most exciting water park in the heart of Oakland, and I'm still never going to Oakland. It isn't the lack of a water park that is keeping folks out of Tracy lately.
HawkEyes2see
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January 21, 2011
Tracymomplus5,

Have you been to San Bruno? There was no easement in San Bruno. No wall, either. The San Bruno pipe was in someone's front yard. If you want, I can post a link to the pictures and you can see for yourself, there was no easement.
Tracymomplus5
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January 20, 2011
The San Bruno blast left destruction over 15 acres and it was only one pipeline. Ellis has 3 large transmission pipelines in the same easement - 36", 26", 18". The two largest are natural gas, the 18" is crude oil. Aging infrastructure like San Bruno. They are not the small distribution lines you have in your neighborhood, get it straight for once. The setbacks that the City Council approved were 100 ft, not the 1000 feet that a citizen recommended since it is a high consequence area. What is a high consequence? LOSS OF LIFE. Once again we have Ives, City Council and TP wanting to put citizens at risk. A higher power will put a stop to it no doubt. But this has been known for many years and yet the only thing that was important was the developer's wishes.
ciscokid52
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January 19, 2011
I am new to the area - from Dublin. Different department budgets stay steadfast within their respective departments. I can't say whether or not the water park is a good idea but think of the larger picture. You want people to visit the city and increase it's exposure to surrounding cities. It would be the same as a major corporation setting up shop here and hiring employees. It boosts the local economy all the way around. Let's start filling up all the empty parcels of land. The gang stuff will be here with or without the water park. That's a separate issue all together. I have my own pool so if I don't want to fight the crowd, I'll stay in my own backyard.
ENTaid
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January 19, 2011
California is prolific with lawyers wasting the taxpayers money. Which one is it this time? Are they friends with the media so they won't even print their name(s)? Normally the newspapers and media will do us a favor to spotlight these so called village idiots. Makes me wonder why the media is so hush hush. This article. The spotlight seems to have been about re-prioritizing, which leads me to wonder if the news harbors sentiments toward the lawsuit. So much for unbiased reporting I guess. And it seems like it was written by a college freshman style. Very one sided if you ask me.

As far as the San Bruno comment. It's not very bright to base a lawsuit off something like that. This ain't San Bruno.

But I'd suppose that is how lawyers load their pokets. Look at Winco delays created by lawyers. Come to think of it the media was also very hush hush about that one too. Do they secretly admire the delays?

The real questions are how long will these lawyers delay and how much will they pocket and how long will the media keep a sock in it.

Remember when the rumor went around that Raleys delayed coming because of the lawyers too. We also heard it through the grape vine.

As far as PG&E goes if they should have installed smart pigs so they could have turned off the pressure to the pipes. It's just sad they had to learn their lesson the hard way. There is a legislater who is writing a law that will shutdown pipes without smart pigs. Smart pigs turn off gas to pipes when pressure drops. In San Bruno they had to send someone across town to turn a valve off. Nuts! If you ask me.

As far as phase one build it. They will come.
shelly13
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January 19, 2011
I wrote "idk". I don't know whether to trust PG&E fully to do their own examinations and reporting of the pipes. I would hope they are honest, but I think we would all feel better if an outside, or several third parties worked together to examine and file a report. That's all. Also the pipes going to all our houses are smaller and newer (at least for many of the tract housing).

I want the aquatics park to be built. If that area is deemed to be safe, great! However, the way this city fights with itself and the way certain parties love to bring the city to court to stop progressive growth...it will be a LONG time, if ever. By the way, what's going on with the Holly Sports Complex? Haven't heard about that in a LONG time either.
Ovably
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January 18, 2011
@Shelly

If you don't trust PGE that's your business, but I think PGE (in the case of San Bruno) was piping natural gas. Are there any natural gas pipelines nearby your home? Most people have them coming right into their homes. For tracymomplus5 to say this park won't be built because homes have natural gas is the pinnacle of stupidity.

The information about the pipelines having a hedge, between the pipelines. Away from Ellis was discussed way back in 2008. Someone sent in a letter to the Tracy Press. I think they tried to sue PGE or something and maybe later found out the pipes are not going through there but around there. At any rate natural gas pipes go to everybody's home. So it is silly to argue if natural pipes go there. Obviously PGE has pipes to every home California. Well, almost every home.

By the way, I think the priorities for phase one make the most sense because people are already using the high school pools. I think the schools need to find a better way to make their pools available.

And I don't think it makes sense to blame phase one for not including competition pools in phase one. When it would benefit more people to have attractive water oriented park. Phase two could have recreational pools when the economy picks up. Makes sense to me.

This is just more of the same.

This idea of attacking the waterslides because of Manteca is also a belly flopper. Because the Manteca water slide was over thirty years old. It closed for the same reason the pool at Dr Powers park closed.

A new pool costs less to maintain than an old pool.

shelly13
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January 18, 2011
They have to provide info on the 11 gas lines in question by March 15th. It will be interesting to see. The only problem is they are doing the testing and reporting. Can PG&E be trusted? idk

So the lines here in the Ellis area are 1000 feet away? Is there a map that shows where exactly those run throughout our area? If someone mentioned below and I missed it, sorry.

I think the aquatics center will be a good thing. But I do not see it getting done. :(
Nuseur
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January 16, 2011
@Tracymomplus5

I can see somebody has been listening to ol lady/man lawsuit again.

But here's the scoop about San Bruno. The pipeline was buried right in front of someone's San Bruno driveway.

While the pipelines you are talking about are not "right through" the subdivision. They are over 1000 feet away.

You're just hung up about an empty field in Shulte. Time to lace up your shoes and move on.
Tracymomplus5
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January 16, 2011
PG&E - can you trust their pipelines?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/16/MNLB1H7EML.DTL&tsp=1

Tracymomplus5
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January 15, 2011
Yes, I remember TP also endorsed the dangerous effort of the City Council, Ives and Pombo to put sports fields over 3 large main gas lines. And this facility and the houses that must be built at Ellis to make the "deal" have the same gas lines running right through the Ellis subdivision. Remember San Bruno? That was only one main gas line. This project will never happen at the Ellis site and neither will the houses. City council and Ives may want it to but their dangerous actions will be overturned by a higher power. This has been known for many years and ignored by Ives, City Council and TP. Wake up!
cody01
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January 15, 2011
@fortheunderdog

YEP! Pathetic aint it? This city will fight itself to death.

There isn't anything to renovate anymore.

@newtotracy

I won't use it either. It won't be built for Tracy.

Just take the money and spend it where it needs to go.

Winners do what they need to do, Losers do what they want!
fortheunderdog
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January 14, 2011
Yeah, but you have to remember that money for projects comes from a different "bank" than that for police projects/city renovation/etc. The money slated for the water park is for the water park alone. Even IF the city wanted to use the money for police projects there's always going to be someone who will challenge it and keep it tied up in the courts then nothing will get done.

And about the gang problem, I personally do not think the new police chief is tuned in to solving the problem. Coming from a agency in Kansas to California is like moving to a foreign country where you don't speak the language. The chief had admin employees who are better suited at getting a program together but it all has to pass through her. So, for the meantime, all the gang incidents will fall back onto her until a solution to the problem is in place. You know the saying ... "the buck stops here".


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