Your Voice: City leaders should abide spirit, letter of law
by Jim and Anita Edwards, Banta
Aug 27, 2010 | 1973 views | 24 24 comments | 5 5 recommendations | email to a friend | print
EDITOR,

We do not reside in the city limits of Tracy, but we do have bested interest in the city and are concerned how the city is governed.

Quoting Larry Hite (“Political sign season heats up,” Aug. 20 Tracy Press): “I feel that by not doing my best to win this campaign, I would be letting a lot of sponsors and supporters down.”

We feel that his best should not include breaking the law.

Having run for council before, he should know the laws regarding posting campaign signs. Getting an OK from the city more than a month before the legal date is completely wrong. The right thing to do when he heard complaints would have been to remove the signs, but he chose otherwise, and his signs remain.

Our nation is built on the rule of law, and two wrongs to not make a right.

All candidates should be treated equally. Do you really want someone on your City Council making decisions that concern us all, who feels the laws do not apply to him?

Tracy has several honorable candidates running for City Council. We hope Tracy residents will make wise decisions in electing two new council members.

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August 29, 2010
fortheunderdog-

Why? Don't you like what Habitat for Humanity and others have done?
dcose
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August 29, 2010
Thank you, l'll try.
fortheunderdog
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August 29, 2010
You're laughable cose. Go repair another slum house.
dcose
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August 29, 2010
fortheunderdog wrote on Saturday, Aug 28 at 08:39 PM »

"I see it's true, an ignorati knows how to spot another ignorati."

Where does the term originate and in what reference am I using it?

"What an arse... "

Honey, the dog sHite himself, again.

"Someone else has an opinion and you immediately tear it apart if it doesn't agree well with you."

You, a candidate, and the others do your best to smear Mr. Hite while trying to take away his and his supporter's right to post campaign signs when they want on their property.

Very unAmerican of you.

A retired law enforcement officer who made a career out of enforcing the law is oblivious to it in this matter, and has neither the time nor the desire to inform himself. Indefensible.

"I confess that there are several parts of this Constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them. For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise." Benjamin Franklin

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln
favabeans
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August 28, 2010
againstallodds,

Which followers? You mean the property owner who put up the sign?
favabeans
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August 28, 2010
I'm yawning too. This one sign in somebody's private property is no big deal.

I saw another candidate's sign on 205. Big deal? Who really cares?

Does someone really believe I'm not going to or going to vote for someone because of an issue of a silly sign?

What does the candidate think about the economy?

That's all I want to know about this candidate.

And if he can communicate his/her ideas so that I can understand them.

Without looking like some kind of activist with a bent for some loony environmental agenda. Whatever the wind blows.

Is this candidate level headed, smart, and agressive in this economy?

If so, that's what we all need.

Let's find out during the debates.
fortheunderdog
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August 28, 2010
I see it's true, an ignorati knows how to spot another ignorati. What an arse.

Good for you dcose. Someone else has an opinion and you immediately tear it apart if it doesn't agree well with you. Bravo! Keep talking dcose, I always yawn when I'm interested.
dcose
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August 28, 2010
Another Ignorati... againstallodds opines on Saturday, Aug 28 at 04:38 PM »

"As some submitters are saying...it's a 1st Amendment issue which is true but at the same time false.

Hopefully, readers immediately recognize this is an illogical statement. It is either a 1st Amendment issue... or it is not. You say it may or may not be, the US Supreme Court says it is.

"It's my opinion that private property or not, this city does have it's own code and that code states no political signs posted until 45 days from the election."

Your opinion is the U.S. Constitution's Bill of rights is the equivalent of Tracy's Municipal Code... did I get that correct? How does your opinion compare to that of the Courts?

and if it does, why did the US Supreme Court bother hearing and adjudicate cases regarding the posting and timing of political signs?

"By the way, I'm in my mid-30's."

Go get your parents money back from the schools you attended. For whatever reason... you failed comprehension.

"When Mr. Hite was told of his signs... he should have asked his people to have them taken down and put back up at whatever date 45 days before the election is. The fact that he did not tells me something about his character."

Your comments tell me that you are unable to distinguish a routine document, Tracy's Municipal Code, of local importance, from a document recognized throughout the world upon which peoples and countries have based their aspirations.

"He (Larry Hite) has none (character)."

Mr. Hite has a better grasp of the requirements and pitfalls than you from your position of safety. You cannot even be bothered to look up the law to become informed.

Bravo, for entertainment value, I pity the depth of your ignorance.
againstallodds
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August 28, 2010
Uh oh! Here we go again!

If everyone commenting here has been following the original TP story you will recognize a couple of the submitters.

dfras13 wrote on Friday, Aug 27 at 10:27 AM

"By the way; dcose wins again... Go get em' Dale.

This isn't a game here. As some submitters are saying...it's a 1st Amendment issue which is true but at the same time false.

dcose wrote on Friday, Aug 27 at 09:54 AM »

"The depth of ignorance in regard to this subject appalling.

This subject was required learning in elementary through high school and the most uninformed seem to be older people."

Older people? You may have a point here because it's the younger people who are always complaining and finding loopholes in everything.

It's my opinion that private property or not, this city does have it's own code and that code states no political signs posted until 45 days from the election. I do not understand what the younger people do not get here? By the way, I'm in my mid-30's.

When Mr. Hite was told of his signs, in good conscience, he should have asked his people to have them taken down and put back up at whatever date 45 days before the election is. The fact that he did not tells me something about his character. He has none. He may have great ideas on changing the political climate in Tracy but it is his character that is taking a hit by not asking his followers to remove his signs.





favabeans
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August 28, 2010
Dear Tom,

Another thing. If the Catholic Church wants to support him that's their business. It really doesn't bother me one bit. But the sign is not on the intersection where the Catholic Church is located. You really should drive out there and find out. I never met this Harmer fellow you wrote about. Tell me. Should I vote for him or not?
favabeans
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August 28, 2010
Dear Tom,

I don't care if he puts up his signs ninety days before the election, but he does have to follow federal, state, county, and city law. If the sign is too close to the road it is on public property. The city law cannot tell violate the rights of the property owner. Either way I still don't think it will make a bit of difference. Let him to waste his money, if you ask me.
TomBenigno
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August 28, 2010
Favabeans:

I didn't say I defend McNerney's sign, all I said was that maybe the Catholic Church supporters put his sign there.

In a congressional race I believe that signs can go up 90 days before an election which is different from city elections. Check with Cal Trans they seem to change the rules every so often.

At the intersection of Valpico and Corral Hollow there are 4 corners, one belongs to a Pombo landscape co, one belongs to the church, one belongs to the Zambetti family, and the other belonged to Dr. Freemans.

Now who do you think would not let Mc Nerney put up his sign?

I assume you are a Harmer supporter? That makes a differeence.
favabeans
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August 28, 2010
Dear Tom,

Another thing.

If you want to defend Mc Nerney's campaign sign, at least drive out there and see it for yourself. It makes no difference to me. I don't see how he could win another election anyway. I doubt a million signs would help him win another election. Most people I talked to ask what he has done for the last eight years. Just more signs if you ask me.
favabeans
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August 28, 2010
Dear Tom,

The Mc Nerney campaign sign is nowhere near the Catholic Church's property. It is on the other side of the intersection from the Catholic Church. That is a location. Valpico and Tracy. If you are insinuating that the Catholics posted Mc Nerney's campaign sign, then I don't have any knowledge of it. The Mc Nerney campaign sign is less than feet from the intersection.
TomBenigno
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August 28, 2010
Favabeans:

Did you ever stop to think that maybe Mc Nerney is Catholic? Funny don't you think? what amendment are we talking about? A division of church and state, or church and party?

We will soon find out.
favabeans
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August 27, 2010
Dear author,

With all due respect. I saw a Jerry McNerney sign at the corner of Valpico and Tracy. It happens to be across the street from the Catholic Church.

Could you jaunt out there and write up an article about that one too? Will you be removing Jerry McNerney's sign from public property since it is only a few feet from the road?
HawkEyes2see
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August 27, 2010
I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote, but the Constitution guarantees that property owner the Right to have put that sign on her/his property. And this was in no way "unfair" to the other candidates.

In fact, you have to wonder how serious (and how supported) some of the other candadates are?

They didn't even shell out to print up their signs.

And if money is an issue. I'm sure somebody has a printer from Cosco they could borrow to get started.

I'm waiting for the other side of the coin.

--> How many candidates already dropped out of the race?

Let's face it. There are only two spots and a half-dozen to a dozen people can't share one council seat.
dfras13
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August 27, 2010
That's why they won't enforce the ordinance, because if they do they will be violating Mr. Hite's 1st Amendment Rights, and they wouldn't want to do that because things could get pretty messy.
dcose
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August 27, 2010
bobtan wrote on Friday, Aug 27 at 12:55 PM »

"If I read the law as stated in previous commentsthe signs can not go up until 45 days BEFORE an election."

Why do you refuse to read the Constitution? Do you only comprehend those ideas and realities that you agree with?

"Why can't the city enforce the law ?"

The 1st Amendment in the Bill of Rights under says it violates the United States Constitution and therefore can't.

"Mr. Hite thank you for the litter."

"I hope that those who vote in November remember the eye sore of these signs so early."

Won't it be the same eyesore and litter less than 45 days out from election day?

Only those who follow the law should be considered for the City Council.

Totally agree. What do we do about the one trying to enforce the Municipals Code in violation of the Constitution. He didn't follow the law... what do we consider him?
bobtan
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August 27, 2010
If I read the law as stated in previous commentsthe signs can not go up until 45 days BEFORE an election. Thanks to Larry Hite we now have others putting up their signs. This means we have to look at them for over two months. Why can't the city enforce the law ? Mr. Hite thank you for the litter. I hope that those who vote in November remember the eye sore of these signs so early. Only those who follow the law should be considered for the City Council.


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