Road work goes round and round
by Denise Ellen Rizzo
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An artist rendering shows the completed roundabout at the 11th Street and Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection.  Courtesy San Joaquin County public Works department
An artist rendering shows the completed roundabout at the 11th Street and Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection. Courtesy San Joaquin County public Works department
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Graders work on a section of median along 11th Street near the Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection as construction work for a roundabout begins.  Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
Graders work on a section of median along 11th Street near the Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection as construction work for a roundabout begins. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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Temporary stoplights are part of the roadway preparation on 11th Street near at Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection as crews prepare to construct a roundabout at the intersection.  Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
Temporary stoplights are part of the roadway preparation on 11th Street near at Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection as crews prepare to construct a roundabout at the intersection. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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Temporary stoplights are part of the roadway preparation on 11th Street near at Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection as crews prepare to construct a roundabout at the intersection.  Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
Temporary stoplights are part of the roadway preparation on 11th Street near at Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection as crews prepare to construct a roundabout at the intersection. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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A section of median is leveled as crews prepare the roadway  on 11th Street near the Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection for a roundabout construction.  Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
A section of median is leveled as crews prepare the roadway on 11th Street near the Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection for a roundabout construction. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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Construction crews assemble a temporary stoplight on 11th Street near the Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection where a roundabout is under construction.  Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
Construction crews assemble a temporary stoplight on 11th Street near the Grant Line and Kasson roads intersection where a roundabout is under construction. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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Construction has begun to create a two-lane roundabout east of Tracy on 11th Street at the intersection with Grant Line and Kasson roads.

Started Wednesday, July 18, the three-phase project is the first of four roundabouts approved by county officials for the rural 11th Street corridor east of Tracy and west of Interstate 5, according to San Joaquin County Engineering Services Manager, Najee Zarif.

Roundabouts are planned for the 11th Street intersections with Banta, Bird and Lovely roads, Zarif said, with a fifth proposed for the Chrisman Road intersection.

According to Zarif, the objective of the new roundabouts is to increase traffic flow and efficiency.

“Studies indicate that they provide a reduction in accidents and accidents that cause injuries, such as fatalities,” he said. “(They are) proved to be safer than signalized intersections.”

The roundabout under construction at the eastern end of 11th Street, where Grant Line and Kasson roads meet, is expected to be completed Oct. 31. According to Zarif, it will be the first two-lane roundabout in San Joaquin County.

The cost of the project is about $2.8 million and is financed through county traffic impact mitigation fees, he said. The San Joaquin County Board of Supervisors approved the roundabout plan in October 2005.

Compared with the traffic signals that dictate stop-and-go traffic flow on 11th Street, Zarif said the roundabout would let traffic flow without hesitation.

But during construction, traffic flow is liable to suffer.

According to project manager Nick Zwetsloot of Teichert Construction, the construction site will see big changes in traffic patterns beginning Monday, July 23.

On Monday, traffic will go from separate east- and westbound lanes near the intersection to two single lanes on the Grant Line Road side of the street. Lanes for traffic heading both east and west will proceed through the construction zone.

He said that traffic configuration will remain in place for six to eight weeks while construction crews work on the Kasson Road side of the project.

The second phase of the project will flip single-lane traffic to the Kasson Road side of 11th Street, Zwetsloot said. That portion of the project will also take six to eight weeks to finish.

The final phase of the roundabout will include construction of the concrete center of the intersection. Zwetsloot expects that to take three to four weeks.

Not everyone is happy about the addition to the rural Tracy roadway.

“I think it’s silly,” Tracy Mayor Brent Ives said. “When moving something that fast, that’s not the kind of place where one should put a roundabout. Doesn’t seem broken, so I don’t know why they’re trying to fix it. What a silly waste of money.”

The staff of Tracy Sign Inc., including employee Amy Brown, has a front-row seat for the roundabout, which is being built outside the business’ front door at 3771 W. 11th Street.

“I don’t know how it’s going to affect our business,” Brown said. “I think there’s going to be a lot more accidents. I used to work in Modesto, and they have one there, and if people slow down it will be fine.”

According to California Highway Patrol officer David Slate, the speed limit in the area is 55 mph, and any changes to that would be the county’s decision.

Slate said the intersection is considered a popular route for automobiles, tractor-trailers and farm vehicles.

According to CHP records, Slate said there were two accidents during the past six months at the intersection — one in May on Kasson Road, and one in March on Grant Line Road. Neither, he said, involved a fatality.

• Contact Denise Ellen Rizzo at 830-4225 or drizzo@tracypress.com.
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Wobbley
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September 24, 2012
There was another major wreck at Naglee and Grantline on Saturday. That would be a perfect place for a roundabout.
MizUnderstood
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July 26, 2012
This project has been on the radar for years - The Record reported it on 6/14/05. It was approved by the San Joaquin Co. Board of Supervisors (collectively, not individually).

The project is funded by Traffic Impact Mitigation Fees. Per AB 1600, these funds can only be used for improvements that are needed to accommodate new or expanded development (i.e., to relieve congestion). These funds are FEES collected from new development to mitigate traffic impacts. There is no “use it, or lose it” rule. The fees are based on the type of development, not whether previously collected fees were expended.

The City is responsible for improvements/repairs within the city limits, the State (Caltrans) for the highways, and the County for the unincorporated areas. Demanding that the County use their money for City/State repairs is like your neighbor demanding that you use your money to put a new roof on his house. Would you?

The plans call for installation of approx. 16 lights. I’m thinking that if we can maneuver that intersection with a signal, 16 lights should make it even more visible in the fog.

Last, but not least, if you don't want to deal with it, use another route - I will.
Bird_Man
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July 26, 2012
Nicely stated about the use of governmental funds.

I have gone through other local towns with roundabouts and they work pretty nicely. One key factor is to learn to YIELD to the car with right of way.

I'll use it [the roundabout] gladly. I understand them and see the benefit whenever I sit at a red light at that intersection and there is no cross traffic. If I have to slow down a bit, so be it. At least I won't be stopping for no reason.

I bet that sign shop on the NW corner isn't too thrilled though.
TracyResident10
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July 25, 2012
To see how dangerous these really are they should have gone to the one on coffee rd in modesto during commute time and see how people drive. It is absolutely dangerous and is at best designed for slow traffic. This does not fit the current design here unless they are planning on changing this.

My fix for Tracy's current roundabout is I just don't go down there. This is my fix for the frustration the two times I drove through there. No more for me.
LuckyInTracyNot
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July 25, 2012
Building a roundabout at 11th & Grantline/Kassonn Road? Who in the hell came up with this idiotic plan at this location? I would think some over intelligent comedian or clown did. That is so not smart, people are confused enough, in a hurry enough to navigate through a ringling brothers construction. Why fix something that was never broke, what was the logic? The roundabout at 6th and Central is bad enough, whoever invented the roundabout is still chasing their tail in life, makes no logical sence at all.
oldleathers
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July 25, 2012
trying to turn us into a european model. next we will be driving on the left ide of the road.
amlee1978
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July 23, 2012
This city is so dumb. They need to stop putting rotaries in a city where 90% of the population doesn't even know how to properly use a 4-way stop. So let's put a rotary in so everyone can sit there like morons because no one knows who should go first. The 2 rotaries they put downtown are a pain in the ass. Let's try using the money to fix things that ARE broken and stop trying to fix crap that isn't.
Wobbley
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July 23, 2012
Here's a crazy idea, hows about fix the 205 entrance at Grant Line and Naglee. Saw another car from Grant Line make a left turn to get on 205 West and nearly got killed. That happens daily (cars darting left when they see a freeway entrance beckoning despite oncoming traffic).
tomgreen123
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July 22, 2012
This should work absolutely wonderful in the fog. When vision is down to less than 30 feet, this round about will be fun. The Banta fire station is going to need an extra crew member.
voiceforus
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July 22, 2012
Is there anything we can do to stop this? This is a terrible idea. How did it go through? Some years Tracy gets very dense fog. Plus, there are so many other projects that could be done to make our streets safer. (at a much lower price)
Max24
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July 21, 2012
What a waist of money, in an area the does not need it what so ever. They should stop this project now and put that money where it is needed in fixing pot holes in the freeways !!
Sneaky
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July 21, 2012
I like the idea of roundabouts but with budgets throughout the state in the condition they are I dont think this is the right time for this. Roundabouts keep traffic moving, save fuel, reduce the severity of accidents and are just easier to navigate than traffic lights. That said, its just not worth spending on right now. If the county has extra money to throw around there are better things than this to do with it. How about bringing class sizes back down a bit? If it has to be spent on roads then how about fixing the millions of pot holes and rough patches of pavement on virtually every county road.
Sneaky
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July 21, 2012
I know it is a different county but I was severly disappointed with the recent work done on Patterson Pass road. Throwing down a layer of tar and gravel doesnt really solve the issues with sections of that road. I noticed that in the corners they just layed the tar and gravel right over the ripples that have formed in the pavement. Lazy as heck. Fix the damn thing correctly. When a road is repaved it should come out smooth as a baby's butt.
ScottRAB
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July 23, 2012
The first cost of any two choices is a poor way to compare. Life-cycle cost is the best (present value of future costs, a.k.a. net present value). When comparing modern roundabouts to signals for a 20-year life cycle (the standard period), modern roundabouts usually cost us much less. Costs to compare include: first cost (design/land/construction), operation and maintenance (electricity, re-striping, etc.), crash reduction, daily delay (what’s your time worth?), daily fuel consumption, pollution (generated), area insurance rates (this costs more where it is less safe to drive). Each of these things, and others, can be estimated for any two choices and everyone near or using the project area will pay some portion of all of these costs.

More info: http://tinyurl.com/739pu3d
PatientType
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July 20, 2012
Hilarious. The City of Tracy builds a roundabout. Its not at a major intersection like Tracy Blvd. & 11th Street where it might do some good. Its on a low-traffic volume street adjacent to Tracy's old downtown.

The City's roundabout has five entry/exit points - the four from the intersecting streets and one accessing a parking lot. All the entry/exit points are paved identically so drivers routinely go plowing through the parking lot at 25 mph.

Roundabouts, per se, are not dangerous and can save gasoline and driver frustration. Tracy's roundabout is dangerous no matter how experienced one is with roundabouts due to the poor design. The little sign the City stuck on a pole at the parking lot entrance that says, "parking lot" hasn't remedied the problem.

So, when San Joaquin County decides to build a roundabout on a high traffic arterial where it might actually save time and gas, Tracy Mayor Ives thinks the county County roundabout is a "silly waste of money." Thanks for the input Mayor. ONE of these two roundabouts is a silly waste of money but my bet is that time will tell that it wasn't the one build by the county.
tomgreen123
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July 22, 2012
If you don't spend every cent in your budget, you will have more money taken out of you next budget. They're spending to make it look like they need the money so they get more next time.
me-here
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July 23, 2012
The one smart thought Brent Ives has had since his tenure... and one he has no voice in.

That round about is going to cause deaths come winter. I agree, we have blinding fog and someone unfamiliar with the road will get killed.

Oh well, nobody asked me for my advice.
marchup
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July 20, 2012
This is another example of ridiculous and extravagant spending by our government! I commute on this stretch of 11th Street every day and often get frustrated by drivers going SLOWER than the speed limit and hogging all the lanes. Now these same inept drivers will have roundabouts to deal with!? They will probably cause a lot more accidents given the difficulty drivers have already with the new roundabout at Central and 6th Street. I've barely avoided getting hit several times by drivers that don't know how to yield! And how are the semi's suppose to maneuver through this obstacle course? Talk about County officials that are out of touch with their constituency!
ScottRAB
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July 23, 2012
Modern roundabouts are slow and go intersections that are more efficient than signals. Slow and go means less delay than a stop light, especially the other 20 hours a day people aren’t driving to or from work. Average daily delay at a signal is around 12 seconds per car. At a modern roundabout average delay is less than five seconds. Signals take an hour of demand and restrict it to a half hour, at best only half the traffic gets to go at any one time. At a modern roundabout four drivers entering from four directions can all enter at the same time. Don’t try that with a signalized intersection.
Whydowelivehere
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July 20, 2012
That road is going way too fast for a round about. It barely works in the 25mph downtown intersection.

OHHH just wait for Friday night out of town traffic!!! We have so many pot holes and other things that need to be fixed on our roads spend that money on that.
Wobbley
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July 20, 2012
The only redeeming quality of this roundabout is that it is in an area where there is virtually no cross traffic.

AMERICAN ROADWAYS were designed with RIGHT OF WAY in mind. Right of way does not exist in a roundabout. You have to cede right of way to traffic that enters the roundabout before you.

It's also not to easy to determine if someone is going to go right, straight or left (pulling right across your path while you are going straight). I guy going through must STOP for traffic turning left in front of him
bobrod
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July 20, 2012
Please watch out for motorcycles in that snafu.
ScottRAB
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July 23, 2012
Q: If there's no right of way, why do entering vehicles yield to those already in the circle?

A: Because motorist already in the circle have the right of way!

We tried it your way already. The circular intersections are called rotaries, what the Brits call roundabouts. They fail because mainline traffic can lock up the intersection. Frank Blackmore figured this out and gave us the priorty rule that makes modern roundabouts work.
backinblack
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July 20, 2012
I'll say this, it will be interesting to see how this goes. Take a roundabout at a fairly big intersection, add someone who drives like they obtained their license out of a Cracker Jack box, finish off with a dummy who's texting or yaking on their cell phone while driving - illegally by the way, and WHAM!

If there are any issues it won't be because of the roundabout but rather the preponderance of lousy drivers we seem to have cruising around these days.
TracyCAcommuter
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July 20, 2012
You can call it a roundabout, I call it a chicane.
rosa62
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July 20, 2012
The money for this project can't be used for city improvements because it is a County project.

This pork barrel project is a total waste of money. The $2.8 million being used to build this roundabout would have funded the electricity bill for the cost of the stop lights for many years.

We have Supervisor Ornelas to thank for this project. It was approved under his term as a County Supervisor. It's a good thing Ornelas lost the primary election or we might have been putting roundabouts at the interchanges of State Hwy 33, 132 and others.

Hopefully, Ransom will make better decisions than this when she's elected to County Supervisor. If Elliott wins you can bet on four more years of these pork projects.
Sputty
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July 20, 2012
Unf***ingbelievable!!!! I'm SOOOOOO glad I left this stupid, bleeding heart liberal state years ago! I just read the TP for entertainment and to see what new idiocies are being initiated by the dummies. Once again, let's protect the people from themselves, they are too stupid to know how to do it for themselves!
TracyRAP
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July 20, 2012
Another giant waste of money. Thanks Guys!

NO ONE in Tracy knows how to drive on a roundabout. I almost get killed every time I drive through downtown. Now its going to be a 2 LANE roundabout!??!?!

People are going to get hurt.
superfly
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July 20, 2012
TracyRAP - if you're almost getting killed every time you go through then you should take someone with you and see if they can tell you what you're doing wrong. Roundabouts are safe and certainly far better than the four way stop that previously existed. The problem is drivers in the U.S. are not used to them and don't possess basic driving skills like using turn signals.
ScottRAB
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July 23, 2012
Forgive me, but it appears you're complaining about 'not' getting into collisions?
me-here
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July 20, 2012
What a waste of resources. Dumbest thing I've heard of in ages. I mean DUMB ! Wonder why we hadn't learned of this BEFORE is was finalized.

I pay attention and hadn't heard they were going to do this .... I'd like to know who made the final decision.
Bird_Man
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July 20, 2012
This was in the TP more than a year ago.
nursdude
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July 20, 2012
Interesting to see how this will work in the fog...


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